A WIRETAP LEAK ON NOISE + INPLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY: Putin seeks to 'destablise' Germany with wiretap leak, defense minister says
"It is about using this recording to destabilise and unsettle us," said German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius
Background:Kyiv has long been clamoring for Germany to provide it with Taurus missiles, which can reach targets up to 500 kilometers (about 300 miles) away.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz has so far refused to send the missiles, fearing that it would lead to an escalation of the conflict with a nuclear-armed Russia.
The acquisition of German Taurus missiles would provide a massive boost for Ukraine as Kyiv struggles to fend off Russia's invasion. France and Britain have supplied Kyiv with SCALP or Storm Shadow missiles, both of which have a range of about 250 kilometers.
Britain denied that it had any direct involvement in operating the missiles.
"Ukraine's use of Storm Shadow and its targeting processes are the business of the Armed Forces of Ukraine," a Ministry of Defense (MoD) spokesperson said in a statement to AFP.
But Scholz has said that Germany could not justify matching British and French moves in sending long-range missiles to Ukraine and supporting the weapon system's deployment. "This is a very long-range weapon, and what the British and French are doing in terms of targeting and supporting targeting cannot be done in Germany," Scholz said, without specifying exactly what he meant.
Putin seeks to 'destablise' Germany with wiretap leak, defense minister says
Germany on Sunday accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of trying to sow disunity with the wiretap leak of a confidential German army discussion on the Ukraine war, at a time when Berlin is under pressure to supply the Taurus missile to Kyiv.
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By: NEWS WIRES A 38-minute recording of the talks was posted online late Friday on Russian social media, with the participants discussing the possible use of German-made Taurus missiles and their potential impact. The discussions also covered the use of long-range missiles provided to Kyiv by France and Britain. "It is about using this recording to destabilise and unsettle us," said German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius, adding that he "hoped that Putin will not succeed". "It is part of an information war that Putin is carrying out," he added. Pistorius said he was not aware of any further leaks at the army. He added that he would await the result of a military probe into the case to decide what consequences to draw. . .
Germany accuses Russia of 'information war' after spy leak
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Germany's defense minister has accused Moscow of seeking to "destabilize" the country following the release of an audio recording of senior Bundeswehr officers discussing weapons for Ukraine.
"It is about using this recording to destabilize and unsettle us," the German minister said, adding that he "hoped that Putin will not succeed."
The head of Russian state broadcaster RT, Margarita Simonyan, released a 38-minute audio recording of four officers discussing the possibility of sending Taurus missiles to Ukraine late on Friday. On Saturday, the Defense Ministry in Berlin said it believed the audio was genuine and that the conversation had been wiretapped.
What else did Pistorius say?
"The incident is much more than just the interception and publication of a conversation ... It is part of an information war that Putin is waging," the defense minister said.
He added that he was yet to receive any information about further leaks that might have been intercepted by Moscow. He said the results of an internal investigation were expected early next week.
Pistorius pointed out that one of the issues being looked at was whether the right platform was chosen for the meeting. The conversation reportedly took place on the Webex communication platform. The minister said he would not "speculate on personnel consequences" before the investigation into the matter has been concluded. He did not rule out "disciplinary action" against those who are proven to "have acted wrongly."
German defense minister: Russia running 'information war'
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Improved training for senior military officers?
Parliament's special commissioner to the military, Eva Högl from Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats, meanwhile called for improved training on secure communication for senior military officers. "Firstly, all those responsible at every level of the Bundeswehr must immediately receive comprehensive training on secure communications," Högl told the Funke group of newspapers on Sunday. "Secondly, the stable possibility for secure and secret information and communication transfer must be ensured." If this were not already possible, Högl said, then immediate upgrades were required. The parliamentarian also advocated rapid and increased engagement in counterespionage work, particularly from the Military Counterintelligence Service known by the acronym MAD.
Germany probes Russian tapping of Ukraine talks
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Opposition moots parliamentary inquest
The discussion of potentially sending Taurus missiles to Ukraine had been in the news this week, with Scholz saying it would not be possible in large part because it would require German troops to be stationed in Ukraine or at the very least to cooperate directly on operating the weapons. "German soldiers can at no point and in no place be linked with the targets that this [Taurus] system reaches. Not even in Germany," Scholz had said. He claimed it was well known to military insiders that France and Britain, which have both sent similar weapons to Ukraine, had available solutions for target control problems that "can't be done in Germany."
German chancellor: 'What is being reported is very serious'
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These comments had instantly courted criticism, including from the head of the Bundestag parliament's defense committee, Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann, who described the chancellor's claim as "false." Opposition politicians in Germany told the Sunday papers that their understanding of the transcripts suggested that Scholz's claim about the need for German boots on the ground to operate Taurus missiles may have been false. "The reports are disconcerting in two different ways," said senior Bavarian conservative CSU politician Alexander Dobrindt in an interview with Der Spiegel. "Firstly, because the Russians evidently listened in on sensitive security discussions, and also because the chancellor may have explained his refusal to send Taurus missiles with a false assertion." Dobrindt said these questions would require investigation. "The chancellor must explain himself in the Bundestag," he said. "Given this set of facts, a parliamentary inquest cannot be ruled out."
Taurus delivery so far refused, but not ruled out entirely
A Christian Democrat (CDU) defense policy expert, Roderich Kiesewetter, said he believed Russia had leaked the intercepted communication at this point in time intentionally in a bid to "undermine a Taurus delivery by Germany." He told public broadcaster ZDF that it showed how "deeply" Russian spy services had already investigated German communications on this matter, and also speculated that it might be a bid to "divert the public discourse away from the Wirecard revelations and the funeral of Alexei Navalny."
What is on the supposed recording of German officers?
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He was referring to the death of the prominent Russian opposition leader, and the latest Russian espionage allegations concerning senior members of the online financial services provider that imploded in 2020, whose former chief sales officer Jan Marsalek is still on the run and accused of coordinating espionage for Russia in Germany and elsewhere.
Although Scholz has said several times that a Taurus delivery is not currently planned, also citing the missiles' ability to reach Moscow from Ukraine, he has stopped short of ruling it out altogether. And Germany has changed its mind and sent weaponry it initially refused to send to Kyiv on multiple occasions during the conflict, with Leopard tanks arguably the best known of many such examples.
The military officials also discussed during the leak whether and how Taurus missiles could be used to destroy a bridge, seemingly referring to the Kerch bridge linking occupied Crimea to mainland Russia. Russian officials portrayed this as proof of the intent to target its territory, while NATO and most of the international community would still consider it Ukrainian territory.
What is the Taurus missile capable of?
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German intelligence investigating how leak happened
The MAD military intelligence unit is trying to ascertain precisely how Russia intercepted the conversation, according to the Defense Ministry. Media reports suggest the conversation took place on the Webex communication platform and that participants may not have adequately encrypted their participation.
Meanwhile, a former special parliamentary commissioner to the Bundeswehr, Hans-Peter Bartels, said he did not expect serious personnel consequences, for instance for the most senior officer in the discussion, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz of the Luftwaffe air force.
"The federal government will not do Putin the favor of sacking Luftwaffe generals right now," Bartles predicted, speaking to the newspaper Tagesspiegel.
Defense chief Boris Pistorius has called the exposure of comments by his own officers “disinformation”
German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has tried to sidestep controversy over an audio recording of senior Bundeswehr officers talking about a possible attack on the Crimean Bridge, saying a leak of the tape stemmed from Russia’s “information war” against the West. Speaking at a press briefing on Sunday in Berlin, Pistorius focused on the source of the leak rather than the substance of the conversation, blaming the incident on Russian President Vladimir Putin. “It is part of an information war that Putin is waging,” the defense chief said. “There is absolutely no doubt about that. It’s a hybrid attack aimed at disinformation.” Pistorius added that the leak aimed to create division within Germany over the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Berlin is one of Kiev’s largest foreign backers, though Chancellor Olaf Scholz has been reluctant to send Taurus long-range missiles to Ukraine on concern that such weaponry could trigger a direct conflict between Germany and Russia.
“It is about division,” Pistorius said. “It is about undermining our resolve.”
He added, “Accordingly, we should react in a particularly level-headed manner, but no less resolutely.”
The leaked audio, released by RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan on Friday, is from a conversation between four German Air Force officers, including the Bundeswehr branch’s commander, Lieutenant General Ingo Gerhartz.
The officers discussed operational and targeting details for the Taurus missiles that might be sent to Ukraine, including their possible use against the Crimean Bridge.
They also talked about ways to maintain plausible deniability of German involvement in such an attack, to avoid sparking a wider conflict.
The German Defense Ministry confirmed the authenticity of the 38-minute recording.
The leak created a scandal in Berlin, where Scholz called it a “very serious matter” and said it was being “intensively” investigated.
German lawmakers demanded enhanced counterintelligence efforts and suggested that Russia’s government likely has more such recordings.
Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev warned on Sunday that the leaked conversation proves Germany is preparing for war with Moscow. He added that such a conflict could be provoked against the wishes of the country’s civilian leadership. “History knows many examples when the military was capable of taking decisions for their civilian superiors about starting a war or just instigating.”
Pistorius claimed that the German Air Force officers who were caught on tape made clear that “the line of war participation . . . would not be crossed.”
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