An Interview with Niall Ferguson: America Is In A Late Republic Stage Like Rome | Noema Magazine

China and Russia regard themselves these days as “civilizational states,” a way to legitimize their power through the continuity of history. 

In response to that, you have a lot of people in the West now — Elon Musk, Giorgia Meloni, Viktor Orban — saying what they are about is defending their own civilization.

This interview is excerpted from a forthcoming Berggruen Institute podcast.

(Source image: Vatican Museums/Joel Bellviure)