Wolff claims the recording shows Trump’s divide-and-conquer approach to management during his first term in office.
Wolff says the excerpt is a mere fraction of some “100 hours of Epstein talking about the inner workings of the Trump White House and about his long standing, deep relationship with Donald Trump” that he claims to have.
Wolff says the excerpt is a mere fraction of some “100 hours of Epstein talking about the inner workings of the Trump White House and about his long standing, deep relationship with Donald Trump” that he claims to have.
Leaked audio appears to reveal Jeffrey Epstein detailing inner workings of Trump White House
Journalist Michael Wolff releases recording allegedly featuring late billionaire pedophile gossiping about Republican’s first administration

Journalist Michael Wolff, who wrote three books about the Republican’s first administration between 2017 and 2021, has released an audio clip on his podcast Fire and Fury of what he says is Epstein talking in intimate detail about the inner workings of Trump’s Cabinet.
Wolff says the audio was recorded, to the best of his recollection, at the SoHo branch of Ladurée, a Manhattan patisserie, in 2017 when he met with Epstein, who died in a New York jail cell in August 2019, to discuss the prospect of writing his biography
Speaking over the background bustle of the eatery, Epstein is heard in the audio telling Wolff how then-president Trump played his administration officials off against each other.
“His people fight each other and then he poisons the well outside,” he says.
Offering examples, he names then-Trump officials Steve Bannon, Reince Priebus and Kellyanne Conway:
“‘[JPMorgan Chase CEO] Jamie Dimon says that you’re a problem and I shouldn’t keep you. And I spoke to [financier] Carl Icahn. And Carl thinks I need a new spokesperson.’”
Epstein continues:
Responding to The Daily Beast’s reporting on the clip, Karoline Leavitt, the national press secretary for Trump’s 2024 election campaign, said:
- “Michael Wolff is a disgraced writer who routinely fabricates lies in order to sell fiction books because he clearly has no morals or ethics.
- “He waited until days before the election to make outlandish false smears all in an effort to engage in blatant election interference on behalf of Kamala Harris.
- “He’s a failed journalist that is resorting to lying for attention.”
Speaking on the podcast, Wolff said of Trump and Epstein:
“Here are these two guys both driven by a need to do anything they wanted with women: dominance and submission and entertainment. And one of them ends up in the darkest prison in the country and the other in the White House.”
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